Def Jam Recordings co-founder Rick Rubinand author Malcolm Gladwell announced their newBroken Record podcast on Friday (November 10), the same day Eminem released “Walk On Water”featuring Beyonce. The song serves as the first single from Em’s upcoming ninth studio album, Revival. 

Considering Slim Shady is the first guest on Broken Record, the nearly 15-minute podcast coincides perfectly with the new song’s release, which is also produced by Rubin. During the interview, the Detroit rap goliath explained the meaning behind the emotional track.

“It’s a very moral song,” Em says. “It’s mortality, not being Superman and what if I can’t come up with the best shit I wrote every single time?”

Earlier in the episode, Rubin talked about a conversation he was having with Em about the rise of mumble rap. Shady’s penchant for well crafted, descriptive bars has him understandably  “frustrated” with the current incarnation of Hip Hop.

“For him, it’s a little bit of a culture shock because there’s a new wave of Hip Hip that’s not really what he’s about, so he was just talking to me about how that felt,” Rubin says. “I could see he was frustrated with.”

Rubin also touched on his songwriting process and explained that working with Eminem is unlike working with any other artist.

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